Pakistani and Afghan political and ethnic Pashtun tribal leaders meet in Islamabad on Monday to try to agree on ways to tackle rising militant violence including the possibility of opening talks with the Taliban. The meeting, dubbed a Pakistan-Afghanistan "Jirgagai," or mini-jirga, is a follow-up to a grand assembly in Kabul last year in which delegates called for talks with Taliban militants to end bloodshed in both countries.  Around 50 political leaders, Pashtun elders and Muslim clerics from both countries will meet on Monday and Tuesday to ponder growing violence by al Qaeda and the Taliban militants on both sides of their disputed border. "The two main objectives of the jirgagai are to expedite the ongoing dialogue process with the opposition and monitor implementation of decisions of the (Kabul) jirga," said Pakistani foreign ministry spokesman Mohammad Sadiq. "When you are talking about peace then you have to talk to those responsible for the peace being shattered," said Ayaz Wazir a former Pakistani ambassador to Afghanistan."If you say you will talk only if they lay down arms then what's the point in talking? The trouble is, they are not laying down their arms and you have to talk to them to convince them to lay down arms."