LAHORE President Supreme Court Bar Association Asma Jahangir has said India cannot get a dignified place in the world unless it stops human rights abuses in Held Kashmir. Good neighbourly ties and peaceful coexistence is in interest of both the countries. India is a big market and has modern agriculture technology which can be very useful for our economy but India fears friendship with Pakistan for it has to cost its leading role in the region, Asma said in an exclusive interview with TheNation on her return from India. He led a 130-member delegation of senior lawyers of the Bar to attend a two conference in Jaipur. At the end of the conference a joint declaration was announced addressed by Ms Asma and her Indian counterpart Ram Jethmalani. To a question, Asma said the Indian lawyers and intelligentsia did acknowledge torture on the Kashmiris by the Indian troops and wanted the dispute to be settled. For India, Kashmir is a big problem, she said adding the lawyers wanted all stakeholders to hold a discussion on the issue. To another question that bilateral issues and disputes should be resolved through judicial tribunal, Asma said the Indian and Pakistani lawyers strongly believed that war was no solution to the problems so this course should never be pursued and disputes should be settled through legal and non-military methodology. But resolution of disputes through a tribunal is only a suggestion by the legal community to both the governments and materialisation of the same depends on the agreement of both India and Pakistan, she said. The International Court of Justice may also be approached so that issues do not get chronic and become an instrument in the hands of vested interest to play their games and politics at the cost of peace and wellbeing of both the nations, she said. The Kashmir dispute must be settled politically and not through the tribunal or the ICJ, she opined, adding both the sides needed to think out-of-the-box solutions to all the issues otherwise another century would pass without any end to it. However, there are disputes relating to trade, water and others which can be settled legally, Asma said. She overruled that denuclearisation would benefit India on account of its large economy and being a hostile country to Pakistan. She cited Japan where nuclear disaster had become a potential threat despite multi-fold safety measures. She said this phenomenon was not confined to Japan only as a trend had started against nuclearisation and Pakistan and India will have to follow the same. She said we need human development instead of nuclear development which had to procure real power and economic wellbeing. She said India was a big trade market and Pakistan could take advantage of it. But for that, she added, we had to break the shell of the security state otherwise resources would continue to be passed on to security matters to let poverty problems go on the rise. She supported trade with India which would benefit the poor on both sides. Asma said legal community on the both sides had potential to make their respective government to act upon what they demand. To a question that why the declaration talks of the joint bar associations should remain limited to India, Pakistan and Bangladesh instead of all Saarc countries, she said the said three countries had the same legal basis as such and they could benefit each other on legal sides. She said the Indian lawyers showed a very positive attitude on composite dialogue between India and Pakistan so much so that India SCBA president, himself a parliamentarian, had said he would devote his whole life for a peaceful coexistence of the two countries. Asma said the visit of 130 senior lawyers from Pakistan had cleared minds of the Indians on many issues. They also told the other side hard truths that Indians mentality was making them live in a narrow world, she said. The Indian lawyers never wanted to eliminate Pakistan, she said. As to hawkish elements on both sides, she said we must avoid these elements if we want to reach some workable relationship between both the countries.